• http://twitter.com/emailvoodoo EmailMarketingVoodoo

    I am so excited about the potential adoption of HTML5 in email. It is likely to become a HUGE game-changer for how we marketers think about and approach email marketing in the future. I believe that each email you send out to users on mobile devices could be a mini–iPhone-app-like experience, as you’ve illustrated above with the Flickr example.

    • Shauffhausen

      Shame 90% of email clients can’t properly render regular HTML with any form of industry standards…

      We’re still designing with inline css (80% of which isn’t supported browser-wide), outlook is using its word browser to display html, can’t use div’s properly, no background images, etc. etc…

      And we’re supposed to be excited about html video? Sorry, but i see no discussion on html 5 email browser standards. Why is this not important? Email html is a complete mess at the moment.

      • http://www.elliot-ross.co.uk Elliot Ross

        you’re absolutely right – the Email Standards Project championed this to a degree, but it seems to have gone quiet on that front recently. Microsoft’s insistence on continuing to use the word engine is increasingly becoming the major sticking point, as other clients (particularly webmail and mac based ones) shift towards better HTML5/CSS support.

        Incidentally I know the W3C did some initial exploration around email coding standards a few years ago, but that unfortunately stalled soon afterwards.

        • Shauffhausen

          It’s very sad – Email has been around since the beginning of the web yet for some reason it has been completely neglected in terms of standards and attention.

          Look at the mobile web – There are standards for mobile web environments already in fruition… I simply do not understand why this has overtaken email standards already.

          • Josh Mouch

            I think two of the big problems are 1) webmail clients need to maintain a consistent experience/sandbox and 2) can’t allow spammers/scammers to be allowed to abuse the HTML.

      • rawraj

        The major reason why emails only support inline css is they don’t want marketers “rebranding” the entire interface.
        Thats why Outlook removes backgrounds, and does not allow divs(rather absolutely positioned div.
        A good CSS designer could simply rebrand each and every aspect of the email. make their newletter appear in fullscreen and what not. Coca-cola could turn gmail into a red theme with cokecola backgrounds and even replace the logo.
        So its really a dilemma for these email clients. More so spammers could displace emails in fullscreen that are unescapable remember 10 years ago in IE you had such popups which you could not close(or a novice could not, you had to use alt-F4)
        So unless there is a way to stop newletter from totally “rebranding” the email client/interface, I don’t think we will ever see a fullfledged acceptence of any language in emails

  • http://twitter.com/emailvoodoo EmailMarketingVoodoo

    I am so excited about the potential adoption of HTML5 in email. It is likely to become a HUGE game-changer for how we marketers think about and approach email marketing in the future. I believe that each email you send out to users on mobile devices could be a mini–iPhone-app-like experience, as you've illustrated above with the Flickr example.

    • Shauffhausen

      Shame 90% of email clients can't properly render regular HTML with any form of industry standards…

      We're still designing with inline css (80% of which isn't supported browser-wide), outlook is using its word browser to display html, can't use div's properly, no background images, etc. etc…

      And we're supposed to be excited about html video? Sorry, but i see no discussion on html 5 email browser standards. Why is this not important? Email html is a complete mess at the moment.

      • http://www.emaildesignreview.com/ Elliot // Email Design Review

        you're absolutely right – the Email Standards Project championed this to a degree, but it seems to have gone quiet on that front recently. Microsoft's insistence on continuing to use the word engine is increasingly becoming the major sticking point, as other clients (particularly webmail and mac based ones) shift towards better HTML5/CSS support.

        Incidentally I know the W3C did some initial exploration around email coding standards a few years ago, but that unfortunately stalled soon afterwards.

        • Shauffhausen

          It's very sad – Email has been around since the beginning of the web yet for some reason it has been completely neglected in terms of standards and attention.

          Look at the mobile web – There are standards for mobile web environments already in fruition… I simply do not understand why this has overtaken email standards already.

          • Josh Mouch

            I think two of the big problems are 1) webmail clients need to maintain a consistent experience/sandbox and 2) can’t allow spammers/scammers to be allowed to abuse the HTML.

      • rawraj

        The major reason why emails only support inline css is they don't want marketers “rebranding” the entire interface.
        Thats why Outlook removes backgrounds, and does not allow divs(rather absolutely positioned div.
        A good CSS designer could simply rebrand each and every aspect of the email. make their newletter appear in fullscreen and what not. Coca-cola could turn gmail into a red theme with cokecola backgrounds and even replace the logo.
        So its really a dilemma for these email clients. More so spammers could displace emails in fullscreen that are unescapable remember 10 years ago in IE you had such popups which you could not close(or a novice could not, you had to use alt-F4)
        So unless there is a way to stop newletter from totally “rebranding” the email client/interface, I don't think we will ever see a fullfledged acceptence of any language in emails

  • http://www.elliot-ross.co.uk Elliot Ross

    you’re absolutely right – the Email Standards Project championed this to a degree, but it seems to have gone quiet on that front recently. Microsoft’s insistence on continuing to use the word engine is increasingly becoming the major sticking point, as other clients (particularly webmail and mac based ones) shift towards better HTML5/CSS support.

    Incidentally I know the W3C did some initial exploration around email coding standards a few years ago, but that unfortunately stalled soon afterwards.

  • http://www.elliot-ross.co.uk Elliot Ross

    you’re absolutely right – the Email Standards Project championed this to a degree, but it seems to have gone quiet on that front recently. Microsoft’s insistence on continuing to use the word engine is increasingly becoming the major sticking point, as other clients (particularly webmail and mac based ones) shift towards better HTML5/CSS support.

    Incidentally I know the W3C did some initial exploration around email coding standards a few years ago, but that unfortunately stalled soon afterwards.

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